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  • 21 Jan 2016 8:12 PM
    Message # 3774366
    Deleted user

    Hi, my name is Faith and I'm a geologist. I'm tired of carrying excess trunk weight and not being able to loose it. I already try to adhere to a healthy whole foods diet in many respects but was shocked to discover that standard items like tinned tomatoes, bread and 'healthy' cereals all contain hidden stuff and that even the recommended fruit consumption is a lie


    When I was a child I was diagnosed as 'overactive', a slightly watered down version of ADD. My Mother put me on a very strict diet limiting sugar and preservatives; the best way of avoiding temper tantrums. It was a good foundation. As an adult, I had a fairly limited sweet tooth and a strong lean towards cooking foods from scratch rather then from a jar. I did however become addicted first to coke and then when that stopped being packaged in glass, iced coffee. It took me years to kick that habit. Even though I knew how much sugar was in it, I still couldn't seem to find the will power. The crack-like cravings for it were overwhelming. Even now I still occasionally indulge.

     

    I'm married now and have watched my husbands health degrade in a very short time. Migraines, mouth ulcers, muscle cramps, mystery pains and poor sleep. He's a vegetarian and while I don't cook all the time, when I do it tends to be fairly healthy or so I thought. He of course has no stop valve and is in possession of a raging sweet tooth. An unrequited love affair with chocolate and whatever happens to be wrapped in it, coke, chips anything to get that short term pleasure. I am also guilty of being at times, a prodigious cake and sweets cook. I love cooking and like to challenge myself- so no help there. 


    So I've reached a cross roads. I want my family to be healthy. While I don't personally find the sugar pull too difficult to overcome generally, I did not realize how much was hidden in the day to day essentials that I use. This is day one for me so we shall see just how strong the pull really is as I proceed. My husband however is another story, there will be a lengthy and unpleasant withdrawal there. I guess the question here for me is why suddenly in the last few years have our bodies given up pretending? We are both in our forties, my constitution is still pretty damn good and my husbands was, not too long ago, fairly bullet proof also. But we are both now carrying weight around our middles and backs that neither of us ever really had previously and I suffer regular bouts of fatigue.Why when for me if anything I consume less sugar than I used to is my body producing fat? Why is everything going haywire in my husbands system when his diet overall is vastly improved from that of his former life?

  • 22 Jan 2016 6:20 AM
    Reply # 3775085 on 3774366
    Anonymous

    Good on you Faith! I presume that you have read some of David's books? Or got the fructose story from somewhere. Perhaps the best way to start is to keep a diary of your fructose intake for say a couple of weeks. Weigh or read the packs packs of everything you eat and use the tables in David's books to determine the amount of fructose you are taking in. In relation to processed foods, the best guess you can make is to assume that half the "sugars" shown in the Nutrition Information Panel is fructose. Once you have this worked out, you can start choosing what to eliminate from your food intake to keep your fructose intake to less than 10 grams per day. Once your appetite-control system is working properly again, you will feel full at the end of every meal and your weight will begin to return to normal.


    You can't change your husband - trying will only produce resistance. But he may be influenced by the changes he sees in you. You can stop cooking unhealthy food so that at least he doesn't get poison from you. And you can leave books and articles lying around in the hope that he will see the light.


    Good luck with it. The main thing is tio take care of yourself. What he does to/with his body is his responsibility.It's hard watching a loved one harm themselves. But you can't do it for them.

    JohnN



  • 23 Jan 2016 6:59 PM
    Reply # 3777539 on 3774366
    Deleted user

    Thanks John! I had decided to start cooking more with whole foods and came across the no sugar story from a lady in the UK Nicole Mowbray. After reading her book 'Sweet Nothing' it just made so much sense. I continued researching and ended up watching 'That Sugar Film' where I came across David's name. I quit sugar the next morning after watching that. I was so shocked at the overall degradation of the person who had introduced sugar whilst eating what are commonly deemed healthy choices. There was something about the reverse scenario that really struck a cord - we only usually ever see the unwell to well story. I have ordered one of David's books and am busy consuming everything I can read on his websites. Being a researcher by nature the one thing I am liking about this whole thing is that the message is consistent across the board.


    Unfortunately the snap decision did not allow me time to record what I eat on a daily basis but I quickly recognized that my 'healthy' muesli or pears and honey on my porridge breakfast choices were out. Morning tea biscuits were done along with afternoon melon/grape snacks. I think the biggest contribution for me would be coke, smoothies, milkshakes and the occasional iced coffee. My diet was probably lower then the average in sugar anyway but I leaned heavily on fruit. I'm third day in now and not really feeling any detox symptoms which is awesome. I'm mostly just eating green vegies, poached eggs and tuna salads. the big thing was trying to find a breakfast replacement. Its a tricky meal for me, but I think plain yogurt mixed with roasted nuts and seeds is the go for now.


    The best thing is my husband watched the movie and saw many of his own mystery symptoms that have now been given a source. He is looking fairly committed to the change :)

  • 24 Jan 2016 6:36 AM
    Reply # 3778006 on 3774366
    Anonymous

    Great stuff Faith. If, as seems to be the case, you have an academic bent I suggest that you read David's "Sweet Poison" which is a 101 course in the metabolism of food. No index unfortunately. "Sweet Poison Quit Plan" is less academic but also very well written.  Was it Dr Robert Lustig's "sugar film" you watched? Or  "The Sugar Film"?

    if the latter I strongly advise you to watch the Lustig YouTube lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

    Have you been to David's  main site? http://davidgillespie.org/? Lots of information there.

    His blog is also worth a look: but I can't find a direct link to it.

    Dr Lustig has also written an excellent book called "Fat Chance" - well worth reading.

    Regards

    JohnN

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  • 25 Jan 2016 3:55 AM
    Reply # 3779406 on 3774366
    Deleted user

    Thanks so much John I will get onto the resources you mentioned  I have one of Davids books on the way as part of my membership deal, cant remember which one  It was That Sugar Film. I will look up Dr lustig as soon as I can ☺

    Cheers Faith

  • 26 Jan 2016 3:58 AM
    Reply # 3781690 on 3774366
    Anonymous

    Hi Faith,

    You said:

    the big thing was trying to find a breakfast replacement. Its a tricky meal for me, but I think plain yogurt mixed with roasted nuts and seeds is the go for now.

    Rolled oats are fine as is Weetbix or Vitabrits (available in the UK?) Any grain based cereal is OK as long as the "sugars" content is <2%. - which can be hard to find! David says most cereals should be in the confectionery section of the store :-)


    Yoghurt is also OK to "4.7% sugars". This is because this is the amount of lactose-based sugar which metabolises as glucose. But watch out for "low fat" yogurts; they are loaded with sugar and salt which more or less restore the flavour which leaves with the fat. And dried fruit is just concentrated fructose, as is fruit juice. The whole fruit contains fibre which tends to ameliorate the effects of the fructose.


    As to fruit, you need about 10g per day of fructose which helps glucose penetrate the cell walls. You can get that from 2 x 100g pieces of fruit. So one piece per day is enough along with the other sources of fructose which can be hard to quantify.


    I think you will find Gillespie's Sweet Poison and Big Fat Lies worth reading as well as Lustig's Fat Chance. You might also find interesting the revised version (by Lustig) of the originator of this whole thing [Dr John Yudkin 1972]  Pure White & Deadly. He was rubbished both by academia and the media, but was proved to be absolutely right 30 years later. Most of these books will also give you good insights into the "cholesterol myth" and the "fat makes you fat" one too. Ancel keys started all that on the basis of selective statistical analysis. He was such a good salesman that he conned the whole world into believing the nonsense upon which so much nutritional and medical advice is still promulgated. The simple fact is that when your appetite-control system is working properly you will not take in any more food [including fat] than your body needs at that time.


    And I still think an inventory of fructose intake over 1 or 2 weeks would be worth doing, if you have the time and patience.


    Regards

    JohnN

     

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