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Bread/carbs inhibiting withdrawal??

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  • 08 Jul 2012 8:57 PM
    Message # 1001219
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    Hello, I don't know if im going out of my mind or not, but I have been fructose free for about 2 months now, I have found my clothes are fitting better but according to the scales I have put on 1/2 a kilo, and its really disillusioning :(  I am wondering, is bread or carbs the culprit? My appetite doesn't appear to have reduced by a whole lot, so I am wondering is my weight gain from overeating, or is it possibly because of carbs, as I am finding bread to have a similar opiate effect on me that sugar did... Can someone please give me some advice, as I am loving my new life without sugar, but its really depressing not seeing the positive effects that everyone else appears to be having :(
  • 09 Jul 2012 12:58 AM
    Reply # 1002026 on 1001219
    Brooke Lawson wrote:Hello, I don't know if im going out of my mind or not, but I have been fructose free for about 2 months now, I have found my clothes are fitting better but according to the scales I have put on 1/2 a kilo, and its really disillusioning :(  I am wondering, is bread or carbs the culprit? My appetite doesn't appear to have reduced by a whole lot, so I am wondering is my weight gain from overeating, or is it possibly because of carbs, as I am finding bread to have a similar opiate effect on me that sugar did... Can someone please give me some advice, as I am loving my new life without sugar, but its really depressing not seeing the positive effects that everyone else appears to be having :(

    there is all sorts of info about carbs and weight loss going around.  Basically I think it comes down to what makes you eat less. Protein and fats do help fill you and keep you fuller for longer, simple carbs like bread are classed as easy energy and they are easy to digest.  What would your typical menu for a day be?  When I first started I went up and down, but I kept sticking with it and tweaking things every week.  I then started the low carb, trying to keep my carbs under a certain amount.  Now I'm keeping track of what I'm eating.  I've cut down on snacks and wine and only eat when I'm hungry.  I do eat carbs but i vary rarely eat bread (would rather prefer a big bowl of salad then the salad sandwich). I have days where I eat lots and I will have snacks, while others I don't I go with what my body is telling me.  A few of the problems is over eating and eating when your not hungry.

  • 09 Jul 2012 1:31 AM
    Reply # 1002047 on 1001219
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    Brooke Lawson wrote:Hello, I don't know if im going out of my mind or not, but I have been fructose free for about 2 months now, I have found my clothes are fitting better but according to the scales I have put on 1/2 a kilo, and its really disillusioning :(  I am wondering, is bread or carbs the culprit? My appetite doesn't appear to have reduced by a whole lot, so I am wondering is my weight gain from overeating, or is it possibly because of carbs, as I am finding bread to have a similar opiate effect on me that sugar did... Can someone please give me some advice, as I am loving my new life without sugar, but its really depressing not seeing the positive effects that everyone else appears to be having :(

    If you're finding bread is replacing sugar, are you SURE your bread doesn't have sugar in it ? Beyond that, if your clothes are fitting better, then you've lost fat, even if you've not lost weight ( do you exercise ? Might the fat have turned to muscle ? ).  

    I do think it's worth remembering that everyone is different, it would help to see an average day's food and to know your BMI at least ( if you don't want to post your weight/height ) in order to have an idea of where you're starting from, if you could post those things, I'm sure we'd be happy to give more specific advice, but just because I lost a lot of weight, and started to eat a whole lot less, it doesn't mean that you will, all I can say for sure is that you'll be healthier without sugar.


  • 11 Jul 2012 12:41 AM
    Reply # 1005397 on 1001219
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    A bit of an update...

    Thanks heaps for all of your perspectives, To answer you questions, A typical day is this for my meals:

    I glass FC Zymil milk

    Breakfast: Porrige(1/2 cup) or 3 weetbix or 3 pieces toast (Burgen Rye) plus White coffee sweetened with Dextrose

    Lunch: Chicken breast wrap/Sandwich (Helgas mixed grain) with cheese, lettuce, tomato, whole egg (thomy) Mayo

    Dinner: Meat (mostly unprocessed meat like steak, Fish once a week) and 3 Veg (carrot, corn, broccolli, potato, pumpkin, peas or cauli).

    Once (ok, sometimes twice) a week when Im tired we'll order a pizza for dins, I will get Supreme or Vegetarian. (I am thinking maybe the Pizza Dough contains fructose, and thats whats messing with my appetite control??)

    1 small dextrose Ice cream (maybe 3 times a week)

    Drinks: Water or Diet/Zero coke, Coffee (max 3 per day)

    Not exercising, but running after 2 little ones ;)

    Ok, So not exactly a dieter's menu but Its really not that bad... is it?? As I said portion control is the big downfall for me I think, but I am wondering would the bread or pizza maybe be inhibiting my appetitite control system from working properly?? I would have thought Pizza to be the "healthy" option for take away, but unfortunately there is no nutritional info available for pizza so im not sure if its full of fructose so it would explain alot if it is. 

    My BMI at last check was 38, so as you can see I have alot of weight to lose and have tried so many different things, Weight Watchers, Slim Shakes, So I am really wondering what im doing wrong, other than not "sufferfing enough" as David puts it :P

    I also just had a hydrogen breath test today, turns out I am fructose intolerant, so off to the dietician for me I think :)

    Any Imput would be greatly appreciated, No offence taken to any reality checks you want to give me :D

  • 11 Jul 2012 12:43 AM
    Reply # 1005398 on 1001219
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    Sorry, forgot to mention snacks... Will snack on cashews or brown rice crackers if peckish
  • 11 Jul 2012 1:20 AM
    Reply # 1005422 on 1005397
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    Brooke Lawson wrote:

    A bit of an update...

    Thanks heaps for all of your perspectives, To answer you questions, A typical day is this for my meals:

    I glass FC Zymil milk

    Breakfast: Porrige(1/2 cup) or 3 weetbix or 3 pieces toast (Burgen Rye) plus White coffee sweetened with Dextrose

    Lunch: Chicken breast wrap/Sandwich (Helgas mixed grain) with cheese, lettuce, tomato, whole egg (thomy) Mayo

    Dinner: Meat (mostly unprocessed meat like steak, Fish once a week) and 3 Veg (carrot, corn, broccolli, potato, pumpkin, peas or cauli).

    Once (ok, sometimes twice) a week when Im tired we'll order a pizza for dins, I will get Supreme or Vegetarian. (I am thinking maybe the Pizza Dough contains fructose, and thats whats messing with my appetite control??)

    1 small dextrose Ice cream (maybe 3 times a week)

    Drinks: Water or Diet/Zero coke, Coffee (max 3 per day)

    Not exercising, but running after 2 little ones ;)

    Ok, So not exactly a dieter's menu but Its really not that bad... is it?? As I said portion control is the big downfall for me I think, but I am wondering would the bread or pizza maybe be inhibiting my appetitite control system from working properly?? I would have thought Pizza to be the "healthy" option for take away, but unfortunately there is no nutritional info available for pizza so im not sure if its full of fructose so it would explain alot if it is. 

    My BMI at last check was 38, so as you can see I have alot of weight to lose and have tried so many different things, Weight Watchers, Slim Shakes, So I am really wondering what im doing wrong, other than not "sufferfing enough" as David puts it :P

    I also just had a hydrogen breath test today, turns out I am fructose intolerant, so off to the dietician for me I think :)

    Any Imput would be greatly appreciated, No offence taken to any reality checks you want to give me :D


    Why are you drinking Zymil milk, are you lactose intolerant ? 

    3 pieces of toast seems like a lot of carbs to me.  I only ever have one, with something on it.

    I used to have 3 teaspoons of sugar in my coffee and I have none now.  I'd try to cut back on the dextrose as well if you can - that's also two cups of milk, if you have a milky coffee ( I have an espresso machine, so my coffee is all milk, is yours, or is it black ? )

    *grin* I think everyone buys dinner once in a while.  The tomato sauce and the dough will contain fructose, almost certainly.  When we eat out, we go to the pub, where I can make choices that I can feel sure won't have sugar in them.  Your meals overall, are pretty close to what I would eat, although I think you're eating more breakfast and perhaps also lunch than me.

    You make dextrose ice cream three times a week ?

    Pizza is both high calorie, and very likely to contain fructose.  I would suggest being a bit stricter for a while and seeing what happens.  Fish and chips is another option for fructose free fast food, dripping in oil, but certainly no sugar.  I also think that your breakfast is pretty high carb, so I'd try to adjust that.  I have one bit of toast and mushrooms most days, I put an egg in there to vary it from time to time.  Or I have one bit with cheese and avocado.  I'd never eat three bits of bread.

    As covered in the books, exercise won't help you, it will make you hungry.  And running after two little ones is indeed enough work :-)

    What does 'fructose intolerant' mean ? It sounds to me like another reason for you to make sure you avoid all sugar, but, I'm not sure how it differs from what all humans are ( unable to process fructose except to turn it to fat ) ?

    My personal opinion :

    I think that Coke is bad news.  The caffeine is addictive and bad for you, esp if you're having at least one, and sometimes three a day ( not sure if that's what you said ).  My daily drinks is a latte in the morning, and water the rest of the day.  I'll put lemon juice in it if I want something tasty.  I would double check your mayo for sugar.  I can't find any info online.  I'd also cut the ice cream back from three times a week, to once.  Dextrose is not a diet food, it's still going to impact on your weight loss.  I'd also try eating a smaller portion then waiting 20 min to see if you're still hungry for more.  That's how long it takes for you to notice you are full.  Do that for a bit, then start regulating your portions based on what you find.  I do think that, unless your fructose intolerance is somehow causing you to react differently to most people, if you avoid the pizza, and try to train yourself on eating smaller portions, you'll find that you start to feel more full with time, and then start losing weight.  I would drink full cream milk if you can - the fats will help you feel full and any altered milk is likely to be bad, unless you need to drink it.  If I were in that situation, I'd consider just not drinking milk at all.  

    That's my thoughts, in a fairly random order.  Take them for what they are worth - I don't know everything, I'm just trying to be as helpful as I can.

  • 11 Jul 2012 1:44 AM
    Reply # 1005435 on 1005397
    Brooke Lawson wrote:

    A bit of an update...

    Thanks heaps for all of your perspectives, To answer you questions, A typical day is this for my meals:

    I glass FC Zymil milk

    Breakfast: Porrige(1/2 cup) or 3 weetbix or 3 pieces toast (Burgen Rye) plus White coffee sweetened with Dextrose

    Lunch: Chicken breast wrap/Sandwich (Helgas mixed grain) with cheese, lettuce, tomato, whole egg (thomy) Mayo

    Dinner: Meat (mostly unprocessed meat like steak, Fish once a week) and 3 Veg (carrot, corn, broccolli, potato, pumpkin, peas or cauli).

    Once (ok, sometimes twice) a week when Im tired we'll order a pizza for dins, I will get Supreme or Vegetarian. (I am thinking maybe the Pizza Dough contains fructose, and thats whats messing with my appetite control??)

    1 small dextrose Ice cream (maybe 3 times a week)

    Drinks: Water or Diet/Zero coke, Coffee (max 3 per day)

    Not exercising, but running after 2 little ones ;)

    Ok, So not exactly a dieter's menu but Its really not that bad... is it?? As I said portion control is the big downfall for me I think, but I am wondering would the bread or pizza maybe be inhibiting my appetitite control system from working properly?? I would have thought Pizza to be the "healthy" option for take away, but unfortunately there is no nutritional info available for pizza so im not sure if its full of fructose so it would explain alot if it is. 

    My BMI at last check was 38, so as you can see I have alot of weight to lose and have tried so many different things, Weight Watchers, Slim Shakes, So I am really wondering what im doing wrong, other than not "sufferfing enough" as David puts it :P

    I also just had a hydrogen breath test today, turns out I am fructose intolerant, so off to the dietician for me I think :)

    Any Imput would be greatly appreciated, No offence taken to any reality checks you want to give me :D


    One of the problems that we all commonly have is eating when we are not hungry and also eating because it tastes good. I know that is certainly one of my biggest problems.  Food wise your meals seem fine, although yes a lot of carbs.  You can try portioning out your meals and having less, if your still hungry say after 20 minutes then have something else.  David refers to dextrose treats as just that they are only treats which is not meant for an every day food item, dextrose does contain a lot of calories as does cream etc so I would maybe holding the ice cream as an every week treat.  Try and space out the snacks as well.

    My kinda typical day would be breaky; half wrap with 1 boiled egg, 25g ham and 10g cheese with a small latte.  Lunch: left overs (meat and heaps of veg) or rice cakes with meat, tomato, cream cheese. Dinner: meat and veg, spag bog etc.  I drink about 5 cups of tea a day and sometimes I may have a muffin or fruit for morning tea (if I have enough berries before my daughter gets to them) and sometimes some crackers and hommus before I go to bed. I work in an office and sit on my butt all day so I do workout for half hour a day (usually after i've eaten dinner and helped my daughter with her homework).

    Try filling up with protein and fats more, for breaky have a boiled egg on 1 slice of toast, or my fav scrambled egg with ham mixed through it.  I find bread doesn't fill me up and I eat too much so i limit myself to only 1 slice with heaps of toppings.

    Keep sticking with it, sometimes it takes just that little bit longer for some! It can be daunting not seeing any results but definitely stick with it.

  • 11 Jul 2012 3:19 AM
    Reply # 1005571 on 1001219
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    Wow, lots of input here, thanks all for taking the time

    Only make dextrose ice cream once a week, but it makes a litre tub all up so it lasts for 3 or 4 desserts worth for hubs and I. Probably should limit it to once a week, but its just so tasty :P I will work on my willpower with that. Also sometimes still feel peckish after dinner so will maybe have some cashews instead, see what happens

    Fructose intolerance is when fructose is not absorbed properly in the gut and a build up of hydrogen gasses is formed, and causes the same reactions as one who is lactose intolerant: Nausea, bloating,  flatulence, diahorrea, fatigue. Hydrogen levels are monitiored on a machine to diagnose it. I am not Lactose intolerant, but I never used to drink milk because it made me feel bloated. Only used to have skim milk on cereal. It has only been since reading Sweet poison that I have started drinking it. Zymil just is easier to dring for me, I feel less bloated.

    I dont know alot about the intolerance yet, just got diagnosed today. But it explains why I feel like crap when I eat the Pizza :P

    Thanks again for all your input. I appreciate you taking the time to tell me your opinion. Will not be giving up my fructose free quest, cos regardless of the lack of weight loss Im feeling so good for it!! The weight loss will probaby come in time with some tweaking of my diet. But I do think that carbs are my downfall, and will work on uping my protien intake. 

  • 11 Jul 2012 3:40 AM
    Reply # 1005579 on 1001219
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    Sounds great - keep us informed and ask if you have any other questions.  I do think that pizza is a major issue though :-)

  • 12 Jul 2012 12:30 AM
    Reply # 1006472 on 1001219

    It shouldn't be this complicated! 

    The one thing that leaps out at me from your food list - well it's a drink actually, is the Diet Coke or Coke Zero.

    One of David's books goes into detail about this kind of artificial sweetener - sorry I can't remember which book - and basically they mimic the effect of fructose.  I would absolutely give up the diet soft drinks before worrying about how many pieces of toast you are eating. 
    And maybe give up the dextrose treats for a few weeks?

    Good luck!

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