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  • 16 Apr 2012 5:58 AM
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    Maggie K wrote:

    Hi Kaye,

    Thanks for your  reply.  You and I are the same age so your reply gives me hope.  I  will continue on this journey as I am more interested in decreasing my waist measurement and the other health benefits that being sugar free seems to offer rather than just focusing on losing weight.   I am beginning to feel much more in control of my food cravings so that is a plus.  How did you know that you were through the withdrawal stage.

    Thanks

    Maggie

     


    Hi Maggie

    I really didn't classify myself as a sugarholic ( didn't drink soft drinks or have a sweet tooth more of a savoury person) until I went through my daily food intake. I found sauces, cereal, yogurts, (balsamic vinegar & w.sauce for goodness sake) etc were the "sugar" areas for me and in highlighting this through this site & David's books.  Withdrawal, hummm cutting out these sugars in my diet I find I don't go looking for food/snacks for no reason even just after half hour after lunch!

    A week ago I had some sweet chilli Asian, well the next day I was in my pantry in-between meals just looking for something anything so that must be the sugarholic in me.  Thankfully it was only a passing half day thing for me.  Hope that helps?

    Kaye

  • 18 Apr 2012 5:23 AM
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    I was doing Weight Watchers and dropped from 68kg to 63kg before I started the "Quit Plan".  Although I never considered myself a "sugar-fiend", I didn't realise how much I was consuming through spreads, dips and packaged food.  I've been "sugar-free" for about 4-5 weeks now and I've managed to maintain a weight of 62.4kg (exactly!) for the past 3 weeks.  Although I went cold turkey for two weeks (and yes, it was hell), I now use Glucose and Dextrose for things like Anzac biscuits which I make myself (and I might have one of those every 2-3 days). I occasionally eat a restaurant meal (or meal at a friends house) that contains sugar once a week (I tried asking restaurants about sugar content but gave up and now I don't deny myself this type of food, that's just bloody stupid).  However, unlike some others, if I do slip up and use some sugar, I don't find I'm craving it like I used to and I'm pretty good at disciplining myself.  I use about a quarter of Natvia artificial sweetwner in my cup of tea once or twice a day.  I don't exercise as much as I used to (was about 5 hours per week but now down to 2/3 hours). I don't know what my body measurements are but because I'm maintaining my weight and doing a little less exercise I don't care, as I'm fitting back into NZ size 10 clothes (I'm 5ft 3" and 62.4kg, 43 years old).  I don't necessarily agree with David's philosophy about working out making your hungrier.  I, myself, have never found this even when I was eating sugar and I still believe it's important to stay fit.  But hey, although we have the same working parts, sometimes those parts work differently in other people.  Some smokers can live until they're 90+, while others can die a lot earlier.  I think you have to find your healthy balance and what works for you.  What may work perfectly for your friend, may not for you, and that can be disheartening especially if you follow all the "rules".  Just find what works for you and stick with that.  I don't eat sugar at home, period, and although I try to pick the right choices when I'm eating out, it doesn't always work in my favour, especially if I'm travelling overseas - however, I don't beat myself up about it though if I have to give in because I have no other choice, I just get back on the wagon the next day.
  • 19 Apr 2012 2:44 AM
    Reply # 893135 on 885878
    Anonymous
    Yes, I have read that waist measurement is more important  than weight. Should be under 94cm for men and 80cm for women, regardless of height. All that fat around the vital organs is very bad news.

    If you look at the front page of the Dukan Diet, you will find an "ideal weight" calculator. http://www.dukandiet.co.uk/  There's a box entitled "Calculate My true Weight Free".

    I guess hidden sugar (type & amount) is a possible explanation for weight gain. Also David counsels NOT substituting glucose for sucrose during the withdrawal period; which may have a bearing on your problem.

    Don't give up!  The rewards are worth far more than the discomfort.
  • 19 Apr 2012 3:54 AM
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    The only problem with this waist size thing, especially for women who've had children is that during pregnancy, the hips and rib cage can be permanently pushed out which can expand the waist with them, I don't like this "one size fits all" thing put out by the government, it just doesn't work as we are all also genetically different.

    I also found that doing gym with weights, three times a week, increased the muscle round my waist, creating the typical "gym" stocky body shape. One of the personal trainers had such a big muscle development that she basically had no waist. But she also didn't have an ounce of spare fat either.............where does this fit in with the government guidelines?
    So, I think we have to be sensible about all this and if we feel good and look good as we are, don't waste time weighing and measuring and worrying about it!

    Really, all we have to do is stop eating sugar, our appetite control will eventually kick in and our eating will regulate itself naturally to what our body needs, this all takes time and it's certainly worth it. I have been off sugar for 15 months now and my appetite is still working itself out, sometimes I overeat still, but pay for it by getting indigestion and next day find my body wants less to eat.
    Over the 15 months I have lost 15 kilos and that is fine for me. I've stopped losing now and am happy with the shape I've got even though my waist is bigger than the government says it should be.

    cheers
    Freda
  • 19 Apr 2012 3:00 PM
    Reply # 893957 on 885878
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    Hi, I felt the same when I first went sugar free. I felt bloated, and lost 2kg in the beginning, then nothing for quite awhile. And felt I was putting on weight. Wasn't till I cut some carbs out also that weight dropped off again. But you feel so much better without the sugar, and you don't crave for anything. The weight loss will happen. It just the point of feeling so much better.And sleeping soundly etc. We all seem to be looking for the big weight loss, myself included. But when you consider how long we have been eating all this crap. We shouldn't expect over night weight loss. I now concentrate on how I feel, and how my clothes fit, and stop looking at the scales.

  • 24 Jun 2012 6:43 PM
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    Hi, just wondering how everyone is going with the weight gain now?
    I have just started my sugar free journey, I am only just starting my second week, and got up very excited to weight myself, but found I had actually gained 1kg! Feeling shock and horror, I think I need to put the scales away, as I can tend to obsess, then make myself miserable.
    I don't have too much weight to lose, only 5-6 kg which tends to sit around my middle, which is the other reason I felt sugar free would work for me.
    Reading the books, it just made so much sense, I crave sweet food, and obsess about food all the time, even when I know I am full, and I have generally lived life watching my carb intake, counting calories, and working out...... The thought of eating until full, not counting anything, and not denying yourself seems somewhat freeing! I do tend to eat diet or artificially sweetened products already, so have made the switch to full fat, and am limiting the artificial sweetner - but I have not cut it out completely...... Perhaps that is a step I need to take as I enter week 2? I tend to drink diet cordial instead of water.
    I also work out 3-5 times per week, gym classes or bike riding, but I find it is good for my head, my strength, my stress, and minimizing my tension headaches.... So I am keen to keep that in place.
    I currently weigh 66, with an aim of weighing 62. Height 167.5, and whilst people look at me and say I am not overweight, I store it around my middle, so i don't feel comfortable, and my waist measurement is above the recommended 80. I also and want the other health benefits gained from sugar free, so I plan to push on.
    Just wondering if other people who put on initially eventually started to lose?
    Many thanks
  • 24 Jun 2012 7:54 PM
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    Your BMI is 23.5, which is well within the healthy range.  Mine is down to 25, and I don't see it dropping any further - in fact there are people in the family who are assuming my rapid weight loss and new look are down to cancer.  I would guess if you've moved to full cream milk, etc, that your appetite control has not kicked in, and you are likely to find with time that you will eat less and drop back down, but it does not sound like you have any need to lose weight, it sounds like you need to accept that you can't change your body shape to be whatever you want it to be.

    I would also suggest that diet drinks ( like diet cordial ) are not a good long term choice, you should find with time that you will prefer water ( I was a HUGE soft drink drinker and I actively prefer just mineral water now ).


  • 24 Jun 2012 9:12 PM
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    Thanks Christian, sorry about the huge type, I was having propblem writing on the ipad... I didn't mean to yell!  I feel overall I am an O.K weight, I am a smaller boned frame, so thinner limbs, but I definately carry too much weight around my hips/ waist/ stomach, and as this is also linked to lifestyle diseases, I am mindful that I would like this to be back in proportion - I have also had 2 children... it's more that when I have weighed 3-4 kg less, this is where I lose it from, and I feel soooo much more comfortable within myself. I also come from heavy parents, who were thin as younger people, but hit 30-40, and now are both significantly overweight. For myself, I don't want to accept it as O.K, and just keep shifting my boundaries as I get bigger, as my genes may indicate.

    I have definately not yet got the benefits of the appetite shift, although I am more able to now delay eating, I don't have that ravenous GOTTA EAT NOW thing I had going on, I am still needing to eat between lunch and dinner, and I suspect that will go with time.... it has only been a week in reality, and it's hard to break habit.... looking for food because it is 3.00, rather than listening to my own hunger levels.  I was eating all low fat products before, so maybe that shift is going to take some time for my brain and body to get in sync.

    How long did it take for you to not want sweet things?

    I am not craving sugar after meals like I was, but I would still prefer sweet to savoury - I am sweeneting my porridge and Greek yoghurt with Stevia... and again, I get the sense that that will shift once I am through the detox.

     

  • 24 Jun 2012 10:17 PM
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    Rachel Pritchard wrote:

    Thanks Christian, sorry about the huge type, I was having propblem writing on the ipad... I didn't mean to yell!  I feel overall I am an O.K weight, I am a smaller boned frame, so thinner limbs, but I definately carry too much weight around my hips/ waist/ stomach, and as this is also linked to lifestyle diseases, I am mindful that I would like this to be back in proportion - I have also had 2 children... it's more that when I have weighed 3-4 kg less, this is where I lose it from, and I feel soooo much more comfortable within myself. I also come from heavy parents, who were thin as younger people, but hit 30-40, and now are both significantly overweight. For myself, I don't want to accept it as O.K, and just keep shifting my boundaries as I get bigger, as my genes may indicate.

    I have definately not yet got the benefits of the appetite shift, although I am more able to now delay eating, I don't have that ravenous GOTTA EAT NOW thing I had going on, I am still needing to eat between lunch and dinner, and I suspect that will go with time.... it has only been a week in reality, and it's hard to break habit.... looking for food because it is 3.00, rather than listening to my own hunger levels.  I was eating all low fat products before, so maybe that shift is going to take some time for my brain and body to get in sync.

    How long did it take for you to not want sweet things?

    I am not craving sugar after meals like I was, but I would still prefer sweet to savoury - I am sweeneting my porridge and Greek yoghurt with Stevia... and again, I get the sense that that will shift once I am through the detox.

     


    Hi Rachel

    I am approaching the size I was when I got married, so I'm certainly on board for not just letting yourself go as you age, but then, I've not had to give birth, so I'm not sure if it's not inevitable that some changes occur when you've achieved that.  

    Yes, I think in general, how much you're likely to lose will depend on how you ate before.  I ate TERRIBLY and so I lost weight really quickly and my appetite control quickly kicked in.  Of course, low fat products means you were eating a lot of sugar, too, but probably not eating the huge amounts that I was.

    My appetite control kicked in within a week, but, again, I do think that what I ate before was a huge factor.  Honestly, I went on a trip to the US for work, and ate some sweets while I was there, and thought I had it under control ( I was still losing weight ) and am just now coming to terms with the fact that my appetite control is broken again, it's just that I am conscously eating less.  I am being a lot more strict again and hoping to find it kicks in again within a week or two, I expect a harder road now that I've messed up.  

    I used to eat a tub of ice cream alone in an evening, so I've been surprise at how quickly I got used to not eating sweet things.  But, everyone is different.  Stevia has less calories in it than dextrose, but I'd still look to dextrose as a more reasonable ( and more reasonably priced ) sweetener to use.  I have mushrooms and proscuitto on toast with my coffee for breakfast.  I found I got used to coffee without sugar fast, but I can't come at unsweetened tea, so I just don't drink it anymore.  But, I drank a LOT of soft drinks, I think that's where half my sugar intake was.  Now I drink mineral water.  If you're struggling with the appetite control thing kicking in, or with craving sweets, I'd suggest consciously limiting yourself to three meals a day, or looking for a mid meal snack that's going to be low impact, like nuts.  I ate macadamias for a while when I still craved something mid afternoon.  Other than that, my main bit of advice is not to take any one else's story and use it as a benchmark, everyone is different, and so long as you're sticking to it, there's nothing 'wrong' with you because you put on weight, or crave sweets still, or want to snack in the afternoon.  What attracted me to this, apart from the science, was the idea of being in control, and eating until I am full, not starving myself.  in the book, the time it took my appetite control to kick in was super fast compared to most people.  The only thing you could consider, is to look again to make sure you're not getting any sugar, but I think one week is too soon to do that, the best thing is to stick with it and wait for the benefits to kick in.  

    And, I was getting on the scales every day, so I know how easy it is to be obsessive :-)

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