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  • 18 Jun 2012 8:16 PM
    Message # 976071
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    I'm completely at a loss.  I have been fructose and actually for that matter sugar free for about 6 weeks now. I only have about 5kg to lose and it just won't leave. I did lose 2kg in the initial stage but now I'm going nowhere.  I'm at my wits end.  I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't all just hanging right in front of me hanging off my belly like a stuffed apron. I have Diabetes right though my family but have never had it myself, although borderline when pregnant, have always had high blood pressure since I was 20 no matter what I weighed.  I must be extremely insulin resistant.  I have completley cut carbs out  in the last two weeks  excepting 1 pear, kiwi fruit or 1/2 cup berries for breakfast.  I'll give you a run down of what I eat typically in a day.

    8am - peppermint tea + 2 egg & cream & chive omlette

    11am - 1 hard boiled egg with whole egg mayo or aoli. (yes good on label)

    2pm -  100g chicken/tuna/ham with salad & oil, vinigar, mustard, tarragon dressing.

    5pm - chicken wing or egg or meatball or couple of prawns

    7pm - chicken & vege soup, fish & veg, chicken & veg/salad with mayo.

     

    What oh what am I doing wrong people.  Oh did I mention a 30 minute walk everyday.  I don't even indulge in the rice syrup or the malt extract or anything.  I don't think I can afford to.  If it's not going to shift with this much strictness what is it going to shift with? 

    Can anyone help me?  John?   Freda?  

  • 19 Jun 2012 1:31 AM
    Reply # 976331 on 976071
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    Tracey Williams wrote:

    I'm completely at a loss.  I have been fructose and actually for that matter sugar free for about 6 weeks now. I only have about 5kg to lose and it just won't leave. I did lose 2kg in the initial stage but now I'm going nowhere.  I'm at my wits end.  I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't all just hanging right in front of me hanging off my belly like a stuffed apron. I have Diabetes right though my family but have never had it myself, although borderline when pregnant, have always had high blood pressure since I was 20 no matter what I weighed.  I must be extremely insulin resistant.  I have completley cut carbs out  in the last two weeks  excepting 1 pear, kiwi fruit or 1/2 cup berries for breakfast.  I'll give you a run down of what I eat typically in a day.

    8am - peppermint tea + 2 egg & cream & chive omlette

    11am - 1 hard boiled egg with whole egg mayo or aoli. (yes good on label)

    2pm -  100g chicken/tuna/ham with salad & oil, vinigar, mustard, tarragon dressing.

    5pm - chicken wing or egg or meatball or couple of prawns

    7pm - chicken & vege soup, fish & veg, chicken & veg/salad with mayo.

     

    What oh what am I doing wrong people.  Oh did I mention a 30 minute walk everyday.  I don't even indulge in the rice syrup or the malt extract or anything.  I don't think I can afford to.  If it's not going to shift with this much strictness what is it going to shift with? 

    Can anyone help me?  John?   Freda?  


    The 30 minute walk is not going to burn off a whole lot ( as covered in the books ).  It's good for you, but it's probably one of the reasons you eat so often in a day.  I lost 10 kg in my first month sugar free.  Here's what I would eat on a typical day:

    6am : milky coffee ( a latte, actually ).  Perhaps one piece of toast, sometimes with just avocado, sometimes with mushrooms and prosciutto ( one piece ).

    12 pm : if I ate breakfast, it will just be a piece of toast with butter and cheese, or avocado.  If I had mushrooms and prosciutto for breakfast, I may not eat a whole piece

    6 pm : 150 g of salmon, baked.  potatoes, done in a dry roaster.  2-3 veggies, such as broccoli, zucchini, peas.

    That's it, the main benefit I found from the sugar free diet is that I am just not hungry for more than that, whereas before I snacked all day.  I could probably eat 2 eggs for breakfast, if I didn't have toast or anything with it, but there's no way I could then eat another egg at 11 am.  

    None of this is meant to be an attack on you, it just makes me wonder if you're doing a ton of exercise and it's keeping you hungry all the time.  If that's not it, then I guess at the end of the day, everyone is different, and it's possible that, esp with your diabetes, your body is still going to crave more food than what was the case for me.  But, if you REALLY want to lose weight, and you're eating 5 meals a day, then I'd think cutting it down to 3 meals a day would be an obvious place to start.

  • 19 Jun 2012 3:41 AM
    Reply # 976420 on 976071
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    I'm not feelinig attacked at all.  I appreciate your help.  Thats why I like these forums because sometimes you get so caught up in your issue you can't step back and look at the big picture. 

    The reason I am eating so often is that Geoff from the Bodytrim low carb program said 3 meals & 3 snacks a day will increase my metabolism which I desperately wanted.  100g protein for meals & 50g for snacks plus salad for lunch and veg for dinner. That makes 450g of protein a day for me. I don't know if thats too much or not. But maybe your right and it's just too much food for my little 5'5" frame. 

    I actually think your right now I've had time to ponder.  I need to cut back again to only eating when I'm hungry and see how that goes for a week.  I had trouble actually stuffing all that food down my throat anyway. 

    I'll let you know how I get on.  I'm so determined to be rid of this stuffed apron at the front of me.

  • 19 Jun 2012 3:50 AM
    Reply # 976424 on 976420
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    Tracey Williams wrote:

    I'm not feelinig attacked at all.  I appreciate your help.  Thats why I like these forums because sometimes you get so caught up in your issue you can't step back and look at the big picture. 

    The reason I am eating so often is that Geoff from the Bodytrim low carb program said 3 meals & 3 snacks a day will increase my metabolism which I desperately wanted.  100g protein for meals & 50g for snacks plus salad for lunch and veg for dinner. That makes 450g of protein a day for me. I don't know if thats too much or not. But maybe your right and it's just too much food for my little 5'5" frame. 

    I actually think your right now I've had time to ponder.  I need to cut back again to only eating when I'm hungry and see how that goes for a week.  I had trouble actually stuffing all that food down my throat anyway. 

    I'll let you know how I get on.  I'm so determined to be rid of this stuffed apron at the front of me.


    Well, Geoff may be right, but I'm willing to bet that eating twice as much as I do a day, is not going to help you lose weight.  It sounds like voodoo to me, the real principle is really easy, the more you eat, even of good foods, the more calories you're taking in.  Instead of trying to follow external advice, listen to your body.  Eat small meals, wait 20 minutes to see if you need more.  Eat again when you're hungry, and be aware that some times you will feel like eating, but not be hungry ( I will reach for food if I am frustrated, or depressed, and I need to stop and think if I am hungry or not, for example ).  

    I'm sure if you do that ( which is essentially what the 'Sweet Poison' books advocate ), then I would expect that you'll either lose weight, or find that you don't have a lot to lose.  You keep referring to a 'stuffed apron' in front of you, but you said you only need to lose 5 kg.  Do you really have 5 kg all in your belly ? Might your issue be a need for toning after a period of being overweight, rather than just something you can fix purely by dieting ? I've lost 14 kg, and to be honest, I don't think my belly has changed much at all, although it has changed enough for me to drop several jeans sizes, it LOOKS the same to me, and I've concluded it's because I need to get it fitter, despite the fact that it's thinner.  It's still a spongy mass of jelly.


  • 19 Jun 2012 8:04 AM
    Reply # 976581 on 976071
    Anonymous

    I actually think your right now I've had time to ponder.  I need to cut back again to only eating when I'm hungry and see how that goes for a week.  I had trouble actually stuffing all that food down my throat anyway. 

    Yes - when your appetite-control system is working you will not want to eat more than your body needs at that time. It's easy really - you just get the feeling of fullness. That's when to stop. That 20-minute rule sounds good too.

    You can ask David questions directly from his FaceBook page.

    JohnN


  • 19 Jun 2012 6:15 PM
    Reply # 977054 on 976071
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    Thanks guys,  You've given me a new purpose.  Out with the metabolism booster style and in with the listening to my body style.  Today I start doing exactly that.  I'll check in in a week and see if any movement has started to happen.

    Christine the stuffed apron I refer to is yes I'm afraid to say 5kg of belly fat that is in front of me.  The rest of my body is slim and toned pretty much except for the extreme results of breastfeeding however.  This belly fat is typical of my family shape through many generations as is the diabetes however I'm not having that so I'm determined to be rid of this too. 

    I should add that either way, weather the belly fat goes or not, I'm sticking with the low carb way of living.  I've never felt so free and in control in my life.  It has also helped me to control my 5pm 'I gotta have a glass of wine'.  This had turned into a bottle sometimes and I was beginning to once again feel like I had lost control again.  On this diet I don't even feel like a drink so I haven't had any.

    Dana Carpender has a chapter in her book that states that people who have a dispossition for sweets as a child and then a carb/sugar addict as an adult have the tendency to become alcoholics if it is in your genes. She goes on to say a lot of adults replace the sweet highs with the alcohol highs. I know what she's talking about from personal experience. Breaking the sugar habit helps with breaking the drinking habit too. 

    Anyway I'm waffeling again.  Point is that I'm a low carber for life now cause I'm in control again of what goes in my mouth when. 

    BTW I would love to have another person, maybe a doctor agree with the evidence David has claimed that Dextrose doesn't cause a sugar spike.  I will ask him on FB but John you would probably know where I can find that info wouldn't you.

     

  • 19 Jun 2012 6:41 PM
    Reply # 977069 on 976071
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    I would have to agree, we really need to only eat when we are hungry and not because it's "time" to eat.  We are all used to having certain alloted times to eat, breaky, morning tea, lunch, dinner ect.  I go with my body.  Some days I will have morning tea other days I won't.  Being low carb and high protein you'll find that you probably won't need that 11am food, so you could probably push your 2pm meal back to 1 or 12 depending on how hungry you are.  Also we don't really need much in order to keep us going, although that really depends on the level of activity you do during the day (eg work in an office compared to someone who works in contruction).  I know how hard the last few kgs can be to loose, so stick with what your doing, you've done really well.

  • 26 Jun 2012 1:30 AM
    Reply # 982790 on 976071
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    Hi, you sound exactly like me. been fructose free for 7 weeks, lost 2 kgs the first two weeks then just put it back on and lost no more. I actually have about 30kgs to lose, alot of it being belly fat,im going to try reducing my carbs and see what happens :) And eating when im hungry rater than at "food time"
  • 29 Jun 2012 7:42 PM
    Reply # 988233 on 976071
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    Well actually I did change some things.  I took the advice given previously and have only started to eat when I'm hungry and it amazes me how little food I do consume now.  I still love a big dinner though.  Still I am down to 65.8kg and still losing although very very slowly.  Dont mind so long as it's coming off.  I found that the major change I had to make to lose these last few kg is to lose the carbs.  It does make a huge difference, not only to your weight but also to your cms and hunger.  I have lost 3cm off my waist measurement since I replied last.  I read a book by Dana Carpender who has been carb free for many many years and is about my age.  She goes right into a lot of information and arms you with a routine that your comfortable with.  I think she's great.  I also bought a few of her cookbooks but they are American if your prepared to covert the weights.  A rundown of what I eat now is

    Cottage Cheese or Coconut milk shake with fruit, egg & protein powder in it for breakfast or if I'm feeling energetic I might cook an omlette or eggs.  Not often though.

    Lunch is usually meat & salad of some sort.

    Dinner is either soups, stews or meat & veg/salad.  Of course I had to cut out the milk and substitute coconut milk in these instances if the recipe called for them.  I of course have cut out all flour, sugar, dextrose, grains, rice, potatoes & any breads at all.  However having said that if I really want a piece of cake, I'll have one.  I have to live the diet and not hate it so I have to keep my happy factor content.  I do however make sure it is dextrose cake if I have it.

    Snakes are either cheese or nuts.  Once you say goodbye to all the carby foods it's so easy just not to go there anymore.  I don't have cravings, I don't want them and they don't have power over me anymore.  I love it.  I'm finally in control of my hunger. 

    Anyway hope this helps.

     

     

  • 30 Jun 2012 12:44 AM
    Reply # 988626 on 976071
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    That's awesome to hear, I'm glad it's turned around for you
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