David Gillespie - Beginner HELP lol

04 Jul 2012 5:22 AM

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Hi im almost through the second book - the quit plan and am a little confused. I am planning on starting in the next two days and there are plenty of things im really not sure about.

Firstly are there a definite list of things you can have so you know or do you just go through the book. How much sugar (fructose) are we supposed to have maximum in a day, umm with the subsititute dextrose you aren't allowed to start eating it until after you are no longer addicted, is that correct? So you just go completely fructose free and only start using that substitute in cooking after that?

Also - sorry to be a pain here. Im extremely anxious person to begin with so the withdrawl symptoms and periods is really freaking me out - has anyone actually vomited from the withdrawl or is it mainly headaches and feeling unwell? Thanks in advanced. Im sure I have plenty of other questions to ask if your patient enough!! xx

04 Jul 2012 6:22 AM

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BTW Im a little confused with the not losing weight part as I have just lost 25kgs by reducing my calories, exercising and smaller portions sizes. I need to lose more weight but im very happy with my achievement this far, however I have noticed of late that my sugar cravings seemingly have come out of nowhere and now uncontrolable. I was always addicted to sugar but seem to have this pretty much beaten or so I thought since Winter has hit and reared its ugly head!

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04 Jul 2012 8:08 AM

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Rebecca Lane wrote:Hi im almost through the second book - the quit plan and am a little confused. I am planning on starting in the next two days and there are plenty of things im really not sure about.
Firstly are there a definite list of things you can have so you know or do you just go through the book. How much sugar (fructose) are we supposed to have maximum in a day, umm with the subsititute dextrose you aren't allowed to start eating it until after you are no longer addicted, is that correct? So you just go completely fructose free and only start using that substitute in cooking after that?

Also - sorry to be a pain here. Im extremely anxious person to begin with so the withdrawl symptoms and periods is really freaking me out - has anyone actually vomited from the withdrawl or is it mainly headaches and feeling unwell? Thanks in advanced. Im sure I have plenty of other questions to ask if your patient enough!! xx

Hi Rebecca and welcome.
First............congratulations on deciding to follow the sugar free way, you won't regret it as you will feel so much better in yourself.

Actually, all you need to do as for knowing which foods to eat is to look at the ingredients list on the products in the supermarket. If there is added sugar, look at the nutritional list to see how much per 100 grams. If the amount is more than 3 grams per 100 (3%) don't touch the product. so you could say, that as sugar contains half fructose and half glucose, your limit per product is one and a half per cent of fructose.

So, just cut out as much sugar as you can per day, some say don't eat more than 10 grams of sugar per day.

With all dairy foods, there is app. 4% natural sugar which is lactose.........which turns to glucose in the body so is ok. Any natural yoghurt is fine as long as it is full fat or whole milk. Low fat products are definately not ok, they often have added sugar or artificial sweeteners. So keep to full fat milk, cheeses, yoghurts which have no added fruit or fruit juices. Use butter in the place of margerine and don't cook with oils, but use instead lard, beef fat or coconut oil.
As for dextrose (glucose) While you are still craving sugar............avoid it. After the cravings have gone, only use it on very special occasions as it has as many calories as sugar.

I have not vomited during withdrawal. I can't speak for others, everyone is different and reacts each in their own unique way to it. It doesn't take too long to withdraw, but sweet cravings may take a little longer, that's how I found it anyway.
cheers
Freda

04 Jul 2012 8:13 AM

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Rebecca Lane wrote:BTW Im a little confused with the not losing weight part as I have just lost 25kgs by reducing my calories, exercising and smaller portions sizes. I need to lose more weight but im very happy with my achievement this far, however I have noticed of late that my sugar cravings seemingly have come out of nowhere and now uncontrolable. I was always addicted to sugar but seem to have this pretty much beaten or so I thought since Winter has hit and reared its ugly head!

Hello again Rebecca
just cut the sugar out and the cravings will disappear by themselves. It does take a bit of time for this to happen, but if you examine carefully all the products you are eating and make sure there is no hidden sugar in any of them, the cravings will ease.
And make sure you don't eat too much fruit, David says two pieces per day maximum, I don't eat any some days, only on days I have a bit of yearning for a little something sweet and then it is usually berries.
cheers
Freda

04 Jul 2012 6:29 PM

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Thanks Freda - Much appreciated :) Just to clarify with the added sugars are you saying to look on every pack that it doesn't have any sugar or for a label saying no added sugar. Or do I just check every label and look at how many sugars are in the 100g servings? Sorry!!

06 Jul 2012 1:49 AM

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Hi Rebecca. Don't worry, ask all you like. I'm sure there will always be people here glad to help.

1 - the 'withdrawal' is about your body getting used to you not feeding your sugar addiction. I ate huge amounts of sugar before, which is probably why I lost 10 kg in the first month and 15-17 overall. But, I didn't have any withdrawal at all. I can't imagine anyone vomiting, there's nothing going to be going on in your stomach, just in your head as you crave a drug you're stopping from taking.

2 - in theory, you will not eat anything that has sugar in the list of ingredients. This will include most bread ( sour dough is good, as is a lot of 'seed' bread ), most sauces ( BBQ is the worst ), pretty close to all cereals, etc. You soon learn what you can and can't buy. I personally am eating a lot of mushrooms now ( breakfast every day ) and avocados/cheeses. I found that very quickly my appetite control started to work and I actually would feel full, instead of hungry all the time. I lost weight b/c I just don't want to eat as much as I used to. You also save money that way :-)

06 Jul 2012 1:59 AM

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Just to add, the list of ingredients is provided in compliance with law. The rest of the label, is marketing. 'no added cane sugar' can mean 'we use different sugar'. Sugar is also:

Molasses

Golden Syrup

Honey

Maple Syrup

Corn Syrup

High Fructose Corn Syrup

Fructose

Natural Cane Juice

Cane extract

to name just a few ways that the hide it. The list of sugars in the ingredients panel are your best bet. Your other best bet is, if it's 'weight watchers' or 'low fat' or highly processed, you need to double read it to make sure, it probably has sugar.

Dextrose is NOT a low calorie food. It's the glucose half of sugar. So, while it's not addictive, and your appetite control should still work to help you not eat too much, if you want to lose weight, you're better off not eating a lot of it. Sweets are for special treats, not every day. Having said that, the book says that dextrose does not help if you choose to 'wean' off sugar, but if you're going cold turkey, the book says you'll be fine to use it right away. I suspect it might be easier if you don't ( I didn't, nor did I drink diet drinks or eat other artificial sweeteners and had no withdrawal ), but really you can choose your own path, it's not a 'diet' in the sense of a list of rules, there's one rule. Don't eat sugar. Your body will tell you the rest, in terms of not eating too much or too little. I am never hungry, any more. I used to be hungry all the time. I was 102 kg and am now close to 86. It's amazing that getting this result was actually super easy, easier than going the way I was.

Good luck, and keep asking/posting here. You'll have plenty of friends telling you that 'a balanced diet is all you need' ( if 'balanced' includes foods your body does not know how to process, why doesn't it also include eating rubber, or marijuana perhaps ? ). Or 'everything in moderation', which is amusing, seeing as most people who eat sugar, don't do it in moderation, and no-one says to do other addictive substances 'in moderation'. Just stick to it, no matter if you lose weight quickly like I did, or not ( which is common for ladies, who tend to have been trying to eat to lose weight already, and thus tend to not have been eating to excess as I was ), you will feel better, very quickly. People wave chocolates under my nose to 'tempt' me. I can't convince them, I just don't want them any more.

06 Jul 2012 2:17 AM

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Thank you so much for all that information Christian, its greatly appreciated.

08 Jul 2012 9:20 PM

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Hi Rebecca,

Everyone I think has pretty much answered all your questions so just wanted to add well done on the 25kgs so far! Previous to my no sugar, I was a calorie counter, low fat and I exercised every day (walked to and from train station to work/home, walked during my lunch hour). The low fat calorie diet never really worked for me because I always used to do really well and loose a heap of weight then it would come straight back on because I always felt so hungry all the time so I would eventually give up. Withdrawal for me wasn't too bad, felt a bit down, headachy, few cravings, bad metallic taste in mouth, thirst and for the first few days I was bursting with energy. Things settled down after a couple of weeks. Comparing my calorie intake between now and back then on my low calorie no fat intake, my calories are about the same I do workout 6 days a week for half hour and do some walking during the day however I feel more satisfied and I don't get uncontrolable urges for the chocolate bar in the afternoons.

09 Jul 2012 7:39 PM

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I know what you mean about the being hungry and then regaining the weight - every time I managed to lose weight I always managed to put that on plus more and gave up because I was so sick of being fatter than when I started a diet. This time however Im assuming I wanted a change because I actually stuck to it for the past 5-6 months and while I was incredibly hungry in the first month or two, I realised it was because I stuffed up something and was only eating about half of what I actually could - which ended up being of benefit because I lost a heap of weight and my body became much more content with fewer calories and doing regular exercise - I do water aerobics twice a week and I thoroughly love it. Im still doing it. I also did a few different things this time just to see what works for me and what didn't. The reason I decided to look into the sugar free approach was because for the past few weeks I had been having uncontrollable urges for sugar and couldn't figure out what had changed. I was terrified I would gain the weight and more so I decided to look into this. I still need to lose more weight but im happy I have switched now because im not really craving sugar because im not really having it - apart from the bits in food you have to have so im happy so far, I just need to stop feeling hungry.