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4th day into breaking my sugar addiction.

  • 22 May 2011 1:58 AM
    Message # 597538
    Anonymous

    Hi everyone

    My name is Nadine and I am/was a great big chocoholic and sugar addict.  I lost 27kg about 5 years ago with low fat and calorie counting and this is how I've maintained it as well.  But I'm always wanting to eat more and I'm never very satisfied. 

    Each afternoon I usually eat a dark chocolate bar and it would be very satisfying and energising and I'm going to miss it!  My weight maintenance after 2 years turned into yo-yo dieting initially with a very short string, but recently the string became longer and I'm on my way back from having put on almost 10kg from heavy overeating.

    My aims of going fructose free is to not be so hungry and to not always be thinking about food.  And also to try to dodge future health issues as I'm 48 years old.  

    I've had issues with food ever since my first diet at age 14, ironically I started dieting at the weight I am now.  The other day I heard David speak at a QLD Health Bariatrics conference.  I'm not sure the others at the conference got the message judging by what everyone went out and ate at the breaks!

    I figure that I'm one of those skinny fat people.  I'm currently 58kg, gradually trying to get back to 55kg or even 53kg like I used to be.  My maintenance calories at 53kg were 2000 plus eating back exercise calories, so some days I used to eat up to 2700 calories, and a lot of it in sugar.  So I really should be a lot fatter than I am.  Currently I'm eating 1500 calories plus free vegetables and I've been losing about 0.4kg a week with just an hour of walking a day.

    So I thought I'd do a little experiment.  Next week I'll continue to calorie count and be fructose free, like I've done for 3 or 4 days now.  Not sure how many weeks I'll do this for, but then I'll try eating whatever I want (still recording calories to see how many I eat) and staying fructose free.  It's the scientist in me wanting to prove something (well, I'm a physio). 

    Do you think I would gain or still lose when I do that?  What have your experiences been in the changeover initial period?  And have you eaten a lot more in volume or is it self-limiting?  Honestly I can eat and eat and eat and eat so I'm a bit afraid of what I'll do when it's open slather!!!

    Tonight we're going out to an Indian restaurant and I've been searching for info on sugar in Indian food.  But I'll go easy anyway as I'm still calorie counting.

    Already I feel my taste buds have changed as this morning I had rolled oats and banana and a touch of vanilla with no sugar and thought it was sweet.  No withdrawal symptoms either except a headache yesterday from no caffeine (the dark chocolate was my only source of caffeine).  I've also given up artificial sweeteners which I have had in soft drinks for the whole of my adult life. 

    Cheers

    Nadine

     

  • 23 May 2011 12:45 AM
    Reply # 598752 on 597538
    Deleted user
    Welcome to our fructose free world. First thing you need to do is stop counting calories. It's hard at the beginning but everything you have lived in your diet world needs to be chucked in the bin. None of it is relevant anymore. It is true, you can eat whatever you want, provided it's FF, and still lose weight. I assume you would stop losing weight once your body has reached the weight it should be. Not there yet but certainly am losing every week. I eat all sorts of things which were NO GO in my previous life. Lasagna, potatoes, bread (well not much actually, but because of choice rather than requirement), icecream, cream, full fat everything (no low fat in my house anymore). I could eat all of this as much as I wanted and still lose weight. I'm not that fat to begin with either. I do choose to eat vegies and meat though, along with the above, because I just feel better if I do. None of it is because 'I have to'. 
    The one big difference with this lifestyle, and it is a lifestyle, is that once your body has had it's fill of food you can't eat anymore. Literally can't. Unless you want to see it again!

    Keep going, no matter how hard it is to begin with. It will never be as hard as it is right now.

    Sally
  • 23 May 2011 12:53 AM
    Reply # 598753 on 597538
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    Welcome, Nadine....I thnk you will do well on this regime. I still have a lot more weight to lose, but it's taken me almost 7-9 months before the apetite control kicked in. I was eating more carbs etc to compensate for the sugar, so after my initial 6.6 kilo loss, put back on almost 4 kilos, so started on my present regime of cutting right back on portion sizes & carbs, bread & potatoes are my bad things, but I've just identified pasta as another, so will have to cut back on that,too, especially at dinnertime. I didn't have any noticeable withdrawal symptoms, just was hungry all the time. I'm 9 kilos lost now, and still losing a little at a time. I find my weight fluctuates, I'll go down, almost a kilo, then put, say 400 grams back on, then another 200 grams, then I'll go down another kilo, it's really strange how it works with me. I know it's stored fluids, but still find it strange, it's like 3 steps forward, 2 steps back then 3 steps forward again, the 1 step back etc etc etc......Weird. I had brekky this morning at about 10am, and am only just feeling peckish now, at 2.45......I'll eat now, & that will last until dinner at 6.30-ish.  then maybe a few nuts, then nothing.  although I find if I go to bed hungry, I can't sleep, so sometimes will make cocoa with dextrose on milk and have a small piece of low fat cheese as well.  I tend to nap in front of the TV, & sometimes wake up at about 12,30 or even 1.30am, then switch everything off & go to bed!!

    So don't expect anything too amazing to happen, it's better that it's a slow process, as you know you will keep it going for the rest of your life if you do it slow. Just accept it as a part of your new life & relax & let the process happen. As it will, but don't stress over it, as it then won't work!!  Get the drift?  Yes, I'm the amateur psychologist, there are a lot of us on here   lol.....Good luck with it all, Nadine, I'm sure it will all work itself out.

    Spreading the Love
    Silver Angel  

    SMILE   
     
  • 23 May 2011 2:05 AM
    Reply # 598767 on 597538
    Anonymous

    Thanks Sylvia and Sally for the nice welcome!!!

    I thought about it overnight and decided that I do really need to go into this fully and not worry about the calorie count.  I'll still record my food and calories but more as an interesting experiment that perhaps will prove something.  And in my blog I'll record feelings of hunger and cravings etc along the way.

    Already today I feel a difference.  Had toast, butter, vegemite and natural peanut butter for breakfast and that did me til lunch which is not what usually happens.  I still felt like I could seriously eat a chocolate bar but I didn't feel like I could eat anything that wasn't sweet.  I guess that was a true indication of my hunger vs cravings.

    I'm not confident that if I eat more calories than I usually do I won't gain weight.  As you probably can read into my posts I'm pretty obsessive about food.  Finding something that worked for me psychologically (diets always worked physically) in the form of a calorie counting web diary has meant that I really wanted to stick to it.  I resigned myself to being always obsessive about food in some way - either eating it or controlling it.  At least I thought it was a healthy obsession as I was at my healthy weight.

    Probably I shouldn't weigh myself for a while, but the scientist in me does want to analyse the data one way or another. 

    Thanks again for the welcome.  See you round the forum!

    X Nadine

  • 30 May 2011 6:51 AM
    Reply # 605483 on 597538
    Anonymous

    Hello again

    Still haven't had withdrawals, but as for cravings yes I think so. 

    I have been still sticking to my weight loss calories and recording my calories.  It's actually an easy way of keeping count of the sugar as well, on the automated diary.  So after a week of the new regime I lost 0.3kg which is about what I'd been losing in the previous weeks.  I just need to lose a couple more kgs to get totally back into my winter clothes, then I'll stop recording!

    I have been rather hungry, particularly going to bed.  I do tend to eat most of my food early in the day unlike what I used to do ie save it all up for the evening when I knew I'd be hungry.

    Today, on reading more on the Sweet Poison forum, I realise I've been eating too much of the wrong fruit.  I just thought 2 pieces of any old fruit was ok.  Didn't know bananas and apples are supposed to be occasional treats.  Uh oh!  Oh well, live and learn.

     

  • 02 Jun 2011 9:18 PM
    Reply # 611842 on 597538
    Deleted user
    For fruit I'm mainly having pears and kiwi fruit at the moment, with the odd flurry of mandarins. 

    I'm looking forward to my 1st fructose free anniversary in August, and wondering what my total weight loss will be, it's quite slow, but keeps ticking along!

    So patience, and you'll know you're on the right track in the coming months as you find you don't think about food nearly so much. Which frees you up for real life in all it's complexity  :)
    Last modified: 02 Jun 2011 9:19 PM | Deleted user
  • 19 Jun 2011 3:19 AM
    Reply # 624976 on 597538
    Deleted user

    Hi Nadine,

    Two pieces of fruit, per day, are fine because of the high fibre in them. We've gotta remember that sugar is highly processed and has no fibre in it so its fructose is pure danger.

    David's second book shows that there is scientific evidence that we can eat up to 2 pieces of fruit a day, safely (see the Quit Plan, p. 52 and p. 109). The cautions in the book and website, are for people who are going through sugar withdrawal in the first few weeks, when anything sugary is a danger. Actually I agree with others who have written in, that even too much glucose sets off my sugar cravings. I'm ok with any fruit, in fact it softens my sugar cravings.

    Try having a cup of warm milk before bed. No fructose in it, and it will help you sleep. I know hunger pains keep me awake, so I drink some milk if I'm hungry.

    Best wishes.

  • 19 Jun 2011 11:42 PM
    Reply # 625505 on 605483
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    Nadine Tallon wrote:

    Hello again

    Still haven't had withdrawals, but as for cravings yes I think so. 

    I have been still sticking to my weight loss calories and recording my calories.  It's actually an easy way of keeping count of the sugar as well, on the automated diary.  So after a week of the new regime I lost 0.3kg which is about what I'd been losing in the previous weeks.  I just need to lose a couple more kgs to get totally back into my winter clothes, then I'll stop recording!

    I have been rather hungry, particularly going to bed.  I do tend to eat most of my food early in the day unlike what I used to do ie save it all up for the evening when I knew I'd be hungry.

    Today, on reading more on the Sweet Poison forum, I realise I've been eating too much of the wrong fruit.  I just thought 2 pieces of any old fruit was ok.  Didn't know bananas and apples are supposed to be occasional treats.  Uh oh!  Oh well, live and learn.

     

     

    Nadine,

    funnily enough I have actually started tracking my calories on calorie king - I used to do it years ago and I decided to start again because I want to do the whole 'experiment on myself' thing and see how much I eat and if I lose any weight. I have just found that i can add the 'sugar' column to the foods I've eaten. I've been eating WAY too much so far so we'll see what happens. I haven't been doing any exercise either - though I completely agree with what David says about working off food - it would take all my time. Anyway.. good luck with your withdrawal.. I think I'm up to the same day as you.. I don't have trouble staying away from sugar but it's the hidden stuff that I don't know how much I'm eating..

    robyn xx

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