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  • 15 Jul 2012 11:40 PM
    Reply # 1010471 on 1009757
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    hahah you really make my day.  You are so funny and whitty.  I just enjoy it.  Thanks.

    I will take it all into account and I can explain to him about why he needs to stop taking sugar and vege oils etc, unfortunately he is an excessive worrier and is terrified by these things which can result in him eating nothing lol, so I have to be careful.  He is doing really well considering and has had a few times off it very briefly and one was for a birthday party.  The funny thing was last night he appeared to be getting sick - he was red, hot, fluey, and upset stomach, but nothing has come from it so far, so im assuming it was the sugar withdrawal as he had chocolate cake, lollies and fairy bread at the party.  Hopefully that will persuade him too.  
  • 15 Jul 2012 11:44 PM
    Reply # 1010473 on 1009757
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    its funny with Harrison too because he is incredibly hyperactive and he actually has Melatonin prescribed from the paediatrician to help him sleep otherwise he can't.  I took him there to get the Dr to declare him hyperactive so I could get some kind of help with it but they wouldn't because it doesn't affect his school work in any way but that is because he is highly intelligent.  They admitted that it did affect him at school socially - bullying, making friends etc and it has made a huge negative impact on his schooling but because it won't affect his grades they dont care.  Im also hoping the no sugar will help will all these symptoms too and look forward to seeing these happen over time.  My main hope also is to lose the Melatonin all together and have  him healthy and happy :)
    I did read Sue Dengates -Fed Up book which was fantastic and very insightful so hopefully this will well work just as well if not better.
  • 16 Jul 2012 1:35 AM
    Reply # 1010629 on 1010471
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    Rebecca Lane wrote:hahah you really make my day.  You are so funny and whitty.  I just enjoy it.  Thanks.

    I will take it all into account and I can explain to him about why he needs to stop taking sugar and vege oils etc, unfortunately he is an excessive worrier and is terrified by these things which can result in him eating nothing lol, so I have to be careful.  He is doing really well considering and has had a few times off it very briefly and one was for a birthday party.  The funny thing was last night he appeared to be getting sick - he was red, hot, fluey, and upset stomach, but nothing has come from it so far, so im assuming it was the sugar withdrawal as he had chocolate cake, lollies and fairy bread at the party.  Hopefully that will persuade him too.  

    *sigh* my daughter is like that, too.  I tried to hide the fact that there are tornados from her, once she knew that, she worried every time I went to the US ( which is four times a year ).  I can't imagine sugar withdrawal gave him a temperature, but if it helps, stick with the story and see how it goes :-)  Either way, I'm sure he will feel better in time with being sugar free.

    If it were me, I'd focus on the sugars and let him digest one thing at a time, it's probably easier, esp if he's a worrier.

  • 16 Jul 2012 1:39 AM
    Reply # 1010639 on 1010473
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    Rebecca Lane wrote:its funny with Harrison too because he is incredibly hyperactive and he actually has Melatonin prescribed from the paediatrician to help him sleep otherwise he can't.  I took him there to get the Dr to declare him hyperactive so I could get some kind of help with it but they wouldn't because it doesn't affect his school work in any way but that is because he is highly intelligent.  They admitted that it did affect him at school socially - bullying, making friends etc and it has made a huge negative impact on his schooling but because it won't affect his grades they dont care.  Im also hoping the no sugar will help will all these symptoms too and look forward to seeing these happen over time.  My main hope also is to lose the Melatonin all together and have  him healthy and happy :)
    I did read Sue Dengates -Fed Up book which was fantastic and very insightful so hopefully this will well work just as well if not better.

    How interesting, our familes are so similar.  I take melatonin for jetlag ( it works a treat ), but my daughter was prescribed it for sleep, too.  Melatonin is what your body releases to regulate sleep, so it's a pretty benign sleep med, but I was pushy about Hannah being off it, too.  The sooner they can regulate normal sleep, the better.  Have you talked to him about other ways to help with sleep ? I sleep badly at times, but it's b/c my brain churns things I have been reading and does not wind down.  One good trick is to count backwards in threes, or some other number ( but not 1 or 2 ).  It's taxing enough to distract you, but not hard enough to stop you sleeping.

    You may find that he is hyper because of diet.  If he's having trouble sleeping, it's probably also a factor.  Going sugar free will cut out most of the foods that caused Calvin's issues, and in general will probably help a lot.  

    I feel for him, I was the same ( hyper, good at school, lots of social problems ).  I have told Hannah over and over, school were the worst years of my life, but all you can do is try to make the most of it, and get through them in a way that doesn't negatively impact the rest of your life (i.e. get good marks ).  Being smart is pretty much a magnet for the dumb kids who want to prove their worth by pushing someone around, I'm not sure if you can change that.  The best you can do, is to build their self worth based on how you treat them, so they know that they are loved, no matter what the kids at school say.

  • 16 Jul 2012 1:40 AM
    Reply # 1010645 on 1009757
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    Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but the wonder white bread contains Inulin which is a Fructin- The chain of fructose molecules... Sorry :(
  • 16 Jul 2012 3:06 AM
    Reply # 1010750 on 1009757
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    wonder whole meal does?

    Im checking it now :)
  • 16 Jul 2012 3:11 AM
    Reply # 1010752 on 1009757
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    Wonderwhite Smooth Wholemeal doesn't unless there is a hidden name there im not getting?

    INGREDIENTS
    Contains wheat and soy as indicated in bold type
    Wholemeal flour (58%), water, wheat gluten, yeast, hi-maize•• (2.4%), iodised salt, vegetable oil,
    vinegar, soy flour, emulsifiers (471, 472e, 481), mineral salt (calcium carbonate), food acid
    (citric), vitamins (niacin, vitamin E, thiamin, folate), mineral (iron).
    Made in a plant that also produces products containing sesame seeds.



  • 16 Jul 2012 6:38 AM
    Reply # 1010878 on 1009757
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    As vegetable oil comes after hi-maize, it's less than 2.4 % vegetable oil, and probably a lot less :-)

    hi-maize is a type of corn flour.  Unless that has fructose in it ( I can't work out if it does ), there's no sugar in that bread.   Either way, 2.4% of a product that may then have some fructose in it, equates to almost nothing.

  • 17 Jul 2012 4:29 AM
    Reply # 1011810 on 1009757
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    luckily the bread is ok - I really don't feel like taking another thing away from him at this point as he has been a good sport about it all so far.

    Yes its funny Christian the things in common.  I will fill you in and see if I notice any changes with his behaviour and sleep once we get a little further in the sugar free.  He has been doing it as long as me but has had two or three mild cheat days with parties and things that came up so I will hope for the best and see what happens.
  • 17 Jul 2012 9:05 AM
    Reply # 1011968 on 1009757
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    http://www.hi-maize.com/HiMaize/USA/Consumers/What+Is+Hi-maize/

     

    Hi maize Is Resistant starch which is a long chain fructose molecule... But im sure it wont hurt him to have this bread, but maybe keep it to just one or two slices a day. In SPQP David says to avoid anything with"resistant" in the name. Maybe If you just avoid it Rebecca?? If he is being such a good sport about everything else

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