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  • 17 Jan 2012 4:25 AM
    Message # 800801
    Anonymous
    On 21 November 2011 I  underwent a hernia repair operation by day surgery. Next day I  was 2kg heavier and my waist expanded by 2cm [to 76kg & 96cm]. This after 12 months of hovering around 74/94. The specialist has told me that water retention and general bodily reaction to the operation may cause such increases but that they should disappear after a couple of weeks. Mine haven't after 8 weeks, to my considerable chagrin.

    I  discovered after 6 weeks that the Metamucil I  was taking to avoid constipation contained 60% sugar! So maybe that's why. So I've switched to straight psyllium husks.

    My sugar intake hasn't increased significantly and comprises:

    Breakfast: 1/2-tsp marmalde, 1/2 piece of fruit.  Butter - no margarine.
    Morning tea: nil - Cruskits and cream cheese; or plain toast & Vegemite.
    Lunch: 1-tsp 5% PNB; occasionally 1/2 a banana
    A'noon tea: 1 Arnott's "Lattice" biscuit
    Pre-dinner: some chips or similar - generally <2% sugar.
    Dinner: occasionally 1/2-tsp tomato sauce or chutney, occ/- 100g yoghurt (<5%)
    Evening: once weekly 50g of 70% cocoa chocolate (27% sugar).

    It's a bit hard to work out the actual fructose intake, but I  am always conscious of the 10g/day limit and try to avoid exceeding it. And I  am an avid label reader. My wife is very careful about minimising our fat intake, and cooks mostly fresh unprocessed foods, including  no added sugar. It's very frustrating after months of successful weight control to have this resistant extra weight . .  currently 87kg and 96cm waist. I'm 185cm tall and 80yo. I generally get at least 3x30min walks in a week.

    I've had my bathroom scales calibrated by putting 70kg of gym weights on them. And the tape measure hasn't shrunk :-(

    Any ideas?
  • 17 Jan 2012 4:54 PM
    Reply # 801160 on 800801
    Deleted user
    Hi John
    It looks as though you are still eating quite a bit of sugar..........marmalade, sweetened cocoa, lattice biscuits and bananas are high fructose.
    try cutting out the carbs.................no bread, chips or biscuits. If you feel the need to snack, replace them with nuts.
    For breakfast, I have bacon eggs and mushrooms or scrambled eggs with a handful of grated full fat cheese.
    I find then, that I don't need lunch and when I get peckish, about two in the afternoon, I have a handful of mixed nuts and an unsweetened organic cocoa which sees me through to dinner time.
    Sometimes I only have unsweetened cocoa, I use the organic Cacao because it's not heated in the preparation, like the supermarket stuff. Thus it still has all its minerals and vitamins and has something in it that makes you feel full. Also it has serotonin in it which gives you a lift, especially good for mid afternoon.
    I always use full fat dairy because the fat makes me feel satisfied quickly which stops me overeating.
    For dinner I have protein.......either fish or meat with either vegetables or salad with an olive oil and lemon dressing. We tend to try to eat organic meat which has a good flavour which makes it more satisfying, also the organic meat tends to have more fat in it so we don't eat so much as it satisfies more quickly.
    I find that I don't want to snack after dinner. And I quickly got used to unsweetened cocoa and don't miss the sweetened version.

    And I very rarely have any of the sugar free deserts, dextrose has as many calories as sugar, even though it's not dangerous like fructose. I only have them when we have guests. But I have become a mainly savoury eater and after a year, don't seem to miss the sweeteners.

    I avoid all low fat products, they make one overeat, David mentions this in his books and advises a full fat diet.

    Every now and again, I have a thin crust pizza for a treat for my evening meal.

    This is the sugar in an Arnott's Lattice biscuit, per 100 grams............it's 11.9% which is rather high. (from  the Calorie King Website)

    Nutrition Facts


    (What's CD) CD: 1 star
    Calories 517      ( Kilojoules 2160 )

        % Daily
    Value*
    Total Fat 27.3 g 42%
       Saturated Fat 22.8 g 114%
    Cholesterol - 0%
    Sodium 390 mg 16%
    Carbohydrate 55.3 g 18%
       Sugars 11.9 g  
    Dietary Fibre 2.4 g 10%
    Protein 11.2 g  

    Note: A dash indicates no data is availabl



    good luck
    cheers
    Freda
    Last modified: 18 Jan 2012 6:44 AM | Deleted user
  • 24 Jan 2012 3:12 AM
    Reply # 805995 on 800801
    Deleted user
    John, I was thinking the same as Freda when I read your daily intake.
    Freda, maybe you can help me. This is my eating plan, well mostly!
    No breakfast, until about 10.30 or so, then I have a 3 or 4 egg omelette, cooked in coconut oil/butter.Filling is grated cheese, chopped cooked chicken breast and a 1/4 of an avocado, sliced.
    If I have chicken, I only have 3 eggs. i cup of tea no milk, i stevia tablet. Sometimes I have a cup of cocoa instead, made on whole milk, 1 stevia tablet, and a little cream on top
    Around 4-ish I'm feeling peckish, and have been trying to have chicken breast with some frozen mixed veg, but sometimes I'll have a tin of Mega Meal (Aldi brand) Minced meat & veg, on about 3 oz of brown rice. OR whatever leftovers maybe in the fridge with the rice. Very occasionally, I'll have a cuppa soup, chicken & sweetcorn, Woollies Homebrand, with 2 cracker biscuits, (Aldi brand).
    Dinner is usually at 6.30 - 7.30-ish. and is usually chicken or sausages or fish,  or rissoles, home made, and veg, no potato, or a one pot meal , sorta like a big soup, with heaps of veg, sometimes with a small amount of pasta. Dessert is usually a small banana with cream, or a lo-cal jelly with cream, sometimes I will cheat & have an individual tiny apple pie with the cream. I will sometimes nibble on almonds in the evening, about twice a month I will have potato crisps. Have had a couple of nights when had popcorn.
    Then at bedtime I'll have a cup of cocoa, made on whole milk, with a little cream on top, 1 stevia tablet, and a piece of hard cheese. I forgot to say, sometimes I will have a slice of toast with brekky, and sometimes a slice or 2 of bread in the afternoon, not every day, but I do about 3 times a week.
    What do you think, Freda? I really need to kick start my weight loss again, am getting a bit despondent. I have lately been tempted with choccies (Xmas ones)  & biscuits,  I do try hard to cut back on the bread & potato, finding it very hard to sustain. Getting the carbs down is waaaay harder than giving up sugar. I guess I eat about 80% clean, but will sometimes have chicken nuggets, or frozen crumbed fish, if we can't be bothered to cook. Always with some sort of veg, I usually have, broccoli, cauli, zucchini, carrots, peas and corn. Oh, and Silverbeet. And onion in the one pot meals. Most times we eat fresh veg, but I do keep some frozen for those quick lunch meals with a chicken breast.
    I wish I could write with alacrity like John!!  Verbal diarrhoea!!!!  That's me,

    Gotta go, stuff to do...sorry it turned into a mini book....

    Sylvia x


  • 31 Jan 2012 7:11 PM
    Reply # 812183 on 800801
    Deleted user

    Hi John, like Freda and Syliva I agree, you are still getting quite a lot of sugar and fructose and a fair few carbs too.  For me carbs are evil, I know that and I can get quite addicted to them once I've started having even just a little.  I had some time off over xmas and the new year.  I started having some bread, just a small slice of toast for breaky (which I actually found the bread quite sweet) and since I've put back on a couple of kgs.  I'm starting to have major cravings again and appear to be eating more then I should be.  I'm back to no carbs again to get things under control, however previously before I started low carbs my weight was going up and down, it just wasn't consistant.  I started low carbs and tracking my daily meals in Calorie King and keeping the carb intake to under 60g which seems to be my daily limit and acceptable amount.  Generally this is my usually daily menu:

    Breaky - Scrambled eggs with 7g butter, 50g ham, 1 tablespoon of milk, 1 egg, 20g full fat cheese and a latte.  I have previously had no carb pancakes with cream and berries (absolutely delicious! they are made with cream cheese and so nice)

    Morning tea - Kabana, cheese, nuts, no dextrose no carb cheesecake, or yoghurt if I don't have a morning latte

    Lunch - some sort of meat (chicken, beef, ham, bacon) with vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower, or beans), or salad (dressing is olive oil and lemon juice)

    Afternoon tea - fruit, mostly berries, blueberries and stawberries, sometimes cherries if they are on speical

    Dinner - Can vary sometimes depending on what i've had during the day.  I will always have some sort of protein, whether it be lamb, pork, mince, steak, chicken or fish and I will have either salad or vegetables.  If we are having pasta I will only serve myself a small tiny amount.

    If I over induldge in my carbs I find that I put on heaps of weight (as I have recently unfortunately found out).  I haven't cut out carbs competely though I just try to limit what I have during the day, it's not really that hard.  If your going out for a steak lunch, instead of chips get them to give you extra salad.  Good luck!

  • 01 Feb 2012 1:10 AM
    Reply # 812619 on 800801
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    Hi Sylvia, Like Janelle, I have a problem with carbs and can't tolerate eating any starch at all, or I do put on weight. I don't use any artificial sweetener at all, even though Stevia is plant based, David has it in the "Your call" list with other artificial sweeteners. I read fairly recently, can't remember which newspaper, that artificial sweeteners have the same effect on our body's insulin as sugar...........they raise the levels which leads to our putting on weight.

    I have become completely savory in my day to day eating, with the odd dextrose sweetened desert on VERY special occasions, which may be only every two months or so. I found that by cutting ALL sweeteners and carbs led me to not craving them at all, and like you, I did have trouble giving the carbs up.

    Now, since doing this, and it's taken me a full year to even get some appetite control, I find that after my protein breakfast, I have no desire to eat again until app 3pm when I have a good handfull of nuts and or a completely unsweetened cocoa.
    Then, if I do snack on a few nuts after my evening meal, I end up with indigestion (evenings, after dinner were always my hardest time as I used to have lots of sugar laden sweets after the meal) So I simply wait a while after dinner and my appetite control takes about 45 mins to fully kick in and I know I don't need any more food.

    Maybe you are one of those who do have trouble with carbs and put on weight even with a sniff at some. I know I am and I can see Janelle is too. They say we crave what we are allergic to. And I feel that for me, carbs are like an "allergy" and they make my body act a certain way...........it puts on weight!!!!

    Also, I must admit, I feel far better health wise, not eating them at all.

    And I do avoid all sugar, I know that even a sniff, for me, would be an instant return to addiction and being an "addictive" personality, I avoid it like the plague! So, no little "treats" every now and again of any biscuits or 98% chocolate or whatever, they, for me, are not, in the long term, any sort of treat at all.
    Hope this helps.
    cheers
    Freda


  • 01 Feb 2012 2:52 AM
    Reply # 812957 on 800801
    Anonymous
    Right, well you're all saying the same thing . .  that I'm taking in a lot of fructose. So I've done the calculations:

    Fruit: 100g x 4%                      = 4.00 g fructose (WITH fibre)
    Marmalade: 2.5g x 60% x 0.5      = 0.75g 
    Lattice biscuit; 10g x 11% x 0.5  =  0.55 g
    PNB: 5g x 6% 0.5                      = 0.15 g
    Chocolate: 50g x 27% x 0.5 /7     = 1.00g
    Total average daily intake            = 6.45 g fructose.

    Still well below the 10g RDI. And this diet doesn't vary much in relation to sugar.

    So excess sugar is NOT my problem.  The fat and alcohol intakes are not significant, nor do they amount to much because my appetite-control system  is still working fine and as David says, you will not eat more of anything, including  fat, than you require.

    I'm not so sure of my round here but I  don't think "carbs" have anything to do with it. Apart from fructose they are all metabolised as glucose. If my appetite-control system  is working OK I  wouldn't take in more than I  needed to cope with my energy requirements. And my appetite-control system IS working because at almost every meal I  get to the point where I  just don't feel like having any more and push my plate aside. Also my wife is a very careful cook, preparing only wholesome non-processed food with a lot of raw vegetables.

    The only thing I  can put it down to is lack of exercise prior and subsequent to the hernia operation. OK David says you don't need to exercise to lose weight, so I  suppose he thinks the opposite is true too . .  no exercise = no weight gain.  I'm not so sure.

    What's more, if my sugar intake was the problem I  would be continuing to put on weight, which I'm not; and my appetite-control system would not be functioning properly, which it is.

    I  have calibrated the scales at the local chemist shop. Assuming THEIR scales are accurate, so are mine. So maybe I  have to accept that my "normal" weight is 77kg, not 74 as I  had it down to. What bothers me more than that is the additional 3cm on my waist since 94cm is supposed to be the healthy maximum for men (80cm for women).
    Last modified: 01 Feb 2012 2:59 AM | Anonymous
  • 01 Feb 2012 7:03 PM
    Reply # 813914 on 800801
    Deleted user

    The fructose in fruit does vary quite a bit.  You can find out the actual fructose conten in fruit here http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/consumerinformation/nuttab2010/nuttab2010onlinesearchabledatabase/onlineversion.cfm?&action=default.  100g of an apple contains 7.95g, 100g of a banana contains 6.2, and 100g of strawberries contain 2.1 (strawberries and any other berry being a much better option).  Also taking into consideration that 100g is not a standard piece of fruit.  1 apple can vary in weight.  1 medium apple can actually be 140g.  Same with bananas, 1 medium banana can be about 110g.  Also bread contains a lot of carbs and it's a simple carb which isn't good.  You mention that your appetite control is working but it's surprising at how little your body actually does need and you could still be overeating.  Why not try going low carb for a bit.  David recommends that if you've stalled to go low carb for a week or two.

  • 02 Feb 2012 1:14 AM
    Reply # 814261 on 800801
    Deleted user
    Hello John,
    I don't understand what this 10gms RDI is..............in my day to day eating, I try to avoid all fructose. I might have some fruit, say four strawberries or half a punnet of blueberries once a week and other than that obvious fructose, I don't have any other except what is in vegetables and nuts and that has high fiber with it and I still only eat a handful of nuts a day. David tells us to avoid jams as they are pure concentrated fructose, so I don't have any in the house.

    Who is telling us we can safely eat up to 10gms of fructose a day?

    I do know that centuries ago, they fattened up humans and cattle on Autumn fruit so they would live through the winter.
    cheers
    Freda
  • 03 Feb 2012 4:01 AM
    Reply # 815132 on 800801
    Anonymous
    Freda,

    In one of David's books he says that you need 10g a day of fructose. It assists the glucose molecules to penetrate the cell walls. Anything beyond that goes directly to the liver where it is converted to fat. So 10g is Recommended Daily Intake [RDI].

    If you go back to his books you can see the amount of fructose in various foods. It's not difficult to calculate your daily fructose intake if your diet is more or less  regular. Sucrose (cane sugar) is 50% fructose, honey 45%, jam about 30-35% and so on. Just figure out the amount of "sugar" per 100g and divide by 2 will be near enough. Unfortunately manufacturers are not required  to tell you which sugars are in their products, more's the pity.

    Regards - John Neilson  
  • 04 Feb 2012 3:13 AM
    Reply # 815834 on 800801
    Deleted user
    Hello John, I'm afraid my books are out at the moment, a friend is reading them but I would be getting all the fructose I need from vegetables and nuts so I wouldn't be needing any extra and as I have been eating so much fructose all my life, I would be avoiding jams which are pure fructose with added sugar anyway.
    Here is a "Fructose free" website which recommends we don't actually have to eat any fructose as our cells make what we need anyway.http://fructosefree.com/
    Thanks for your comments.

    cheers
    Freda
    Last modified: 04 Feb 2012 4:07 AM | Deleted user
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